Companies are posting head of storytelling roles at around $400K a year, and Elliott Rayner (Head of Storytelling at OWOW Agency and Creator of The Story Cohort) has the receipts: 25 of those job descriptions, pulled apart in his State of Storytelling 2026 report. His read is that it is a chief product marketing officer under a different name. The skill set they are asking for is a product marketing director's skill set. So why is nobody in product marketing putting their hand up?
In this episode, he breaks down his three-question alignment he's run at more than 100 companies, and why the average score is just 19% across orgs. Plus the three chemicals that decide whether a story sells, and why credibility is where most product stories fall apart. Listen now.
Show Notes
00:00 Welcome to season six
00:19 Introducing Elliott Rayner
01:29 Are product marketers actually marketers
03:01 The State of Storytelling report and the $400K roles
05:19 Owning the narrative is not the same as telling stories
07:48 Seven reporting lines across 25 roles
08:59 Storytelling is the skill, narrative is what you own
10:21 Reason one: products got too complex to explain
11:03 Reason two: execution has become cheap, meaning has not
13:17 Storytelling is a science, not a talent you are born with
14:33 Everyone wants to be better at it, nobody studies it
15:54 The three questions every product narrative answers
16:14 Only 19% alignment across more than 100 companies
17:17 Aristotle's triangle: logic, emotion, credibility
18:59 Career paths and where this role fits
21:09 Connecting the story to call recordings and CRM data
24:37 Where the role sits on the org chart
26:02 Nobody hands you $400K without a KPI
28:23 Joseph Campbell's story circle
29:03 Three chemicals that decide whether a story sells
32:07 The gobsmacked problem: rich language now reads as AI
34:34 Fuck, marry, kill: Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Harry Potter
37:33 The Story Engine and why we get addicted to stories
38:21 Where to find Elliott
Books and Courses to See
1. The Story Engine by Elliott Rayner, where the addiction-to-stories idea comes from. https://maven.com/productstorytelling/o/3c5611
2. The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell, the story circle Elliott builds on. https://www.jcf.org/learn/joseph-campbell-heros-journey
Additional Sources to Explore
1. Product Narratives, Elliott's site and home of the State of Storytelling report. https://productnarratives.com
2. The Product Storytelling Cohort on Maven. Next one runs November 16 to December 13, 2026. https://maven.com/productstorytelling/storytellingcohort
3. Marketing Examples, the site of Harry Dry, who taught Eric "but and so." https://marketingexamples.com
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Companies are posting head of storytelling roles at around $400K a year, and Elliott Rayner (Head of Storytelling at OWOW Agency and Creator of The Story Cohort) has the receipts: 25 of those job descriptions, pulled apart in his State of Storytelling 2026 report. His read is that it is a chief product marketing officer under a different name. The skill set they are asking for is a product marketing director's skill set. So why is nobody in product marketing putting their hand up?
In this episode, he breaks down his three-question alignment he's run at more than 100 companies, and why the average score is just 19% across orgs. Plus the three chemicals that decide whether a story sells, and why credibility is where most product stories fall apart. Listen now.
Show Notes
00:00 Welcome to season six
00:19 Introducing Elliott Rayner
01:29 Are product marketers actually marketers
03:01 The State of Storytelling report and the $400K roles
05:19 Owning the narrative is not the same as telling stories
07:48 Seven reporting lines across 25 roles
08:59 Storytelling is the skill, narrative is what you own
10:21 Reason one: products got too complex to explain
11:03 Reason two: execution has become cheap, meaning has not
13:17 Storytelling is a science, not a talent you are born with
14:33 Everyone wants to be better at it, nobody studies it
15:54 The three questions every product narrative answers
16:14 Only 19% alignment across more than 100 companies
17:17 Aristotle's triangle: logic, emotion, credibility
18:59 Career paths and where this role fits
21:09 Connecting the story to call recordings and CRM data
24:37 Where the role sits on the org chart
26:02 Nobody hands you $400K without a KPI
28:23 Joseph Campbell's story circle
29:03 Three chemicals that decide whether a story sells
32:07 The gobsmacked problem: rich language now reads as AI
34:34 Fuck, marry, kill: Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Harry Potter
37:33 The Story Engine and why we get addicted to stories
38:21 Where to find Elliott
Books and Courses to See
1. The Story Engine by Elliott Rayner, where the addiction-to-stories idea comes from. https://maven.com/productstorytelling/o/3c5611
2. The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell, the story circle Elliott builds on. https://www.jcf.org/learn/joseph-campbell-heros-journey
Additional Sources to Explore
1. Product Narratives, Elliott's site and home of the State of Storytelling report. https://productnarratives.com
2. The Product Storytelling Cohort on Maven. Next one runs November 16 to December 13, 2026. https://maven.com/productstorytelling/storytellingcohort
3. Marketing Examples, the site of Harry Dry, who taught Eric "but and so." https://marketingexamples.com
Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.