
In this episode, co-hosts Emma McGrattan and Ole Olesen-Bagneux sit down with Jean-Georges Perrin—better known as JGP—to discuss the future of data products, the limitations of BI, and the importance of federated thinking in an era of real-time everything.


From his early days self-publishing a 300-page C++ guide with a classmate (armed with nothing but Word and a photocopier) to writing Implementing Data Mesh with O’Reilly, JGP reflects on why storytelling, open standards, and metadata will shape the next era of enterprise data.


Together, they explore:
Why dashboards aren’t data products—and what that reveals about the lifecycle of data.
The origin story of Bitol and its zero-code approach to defining open standards.
What’s next for Data Mesh after the GenAI hype wave.
Why BI might die (and why that’s not a bad thing).
How federated governance beats both centralized and decentralized extremes.


🎧 Tune in for an honest, funny conversation about the future of data platforms—and why sometimes, it’s more helpful to say what something isn’t.
Hosted by Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

In this episode, co-hosts Emma McGrattan and Ole Olesen-Bagneux sit down with Jean-Georges Perrin—better known as JGP—to discuss the future of data products, the limitations of BI, and the importance of federated thinking in an era of real-time everything. From his early days self-publishing a 300-page C++ guide with a classmate (armed with nothing but Word and a photocopier) to writing Implementing Data Mesh with O’Reilly, JGP reflects on why storytelling, open standards, and metadata will shape the next era of enterprise data. Together, they explore:<ul><li>Why dashboards aren’t data products—and what that reveals about the lifecycle of data.</li><li>The origin story of Bitol and its zero-code approach to defining open standards.</li><li>What’s next for Data Mesh after the GenAI hype wave.</li><li>Why BI might die (and why that’s not a bad thing).</li><li>How federated governance beats both centralized and decentralized extremes.</li></ul> 🎧 Tune in for an honest, funny conversation about the future of data platforms—and why sometimes, it’s more helpful to say what something isn’t. Hosted by Ausha. See <a href="https://ausha.co/privacy-policy">ausha.co/privacy-policy</a> for more information.

Enterprise Wide Search 18: Jean-Georges Perrin - This is Not a Data Product


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Hosted by Ole Olesen-Bagneux, Chief Evangelist at Actian, and now joined by Emma McGrattan, Actian’s CTO and global data leader, this show explores the often-overlooked challenge at the heart of modern enterprises: finding and making sense of data.


Why is it still so hard to search across systems and uncover the data you need to do your job? Ole is obsessed with that question — and together with Emma, he speaks with authors, software inventors, data architects, industry leaders, and academics about the tools, processes, and ideas shaping the future of enterprise data search.


From metadata to data intelligence, governance to AI-powered discovery — Enterprise Wide Search is your guide to navigating enterprise data's wild, tangled world.
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You’re listening to Enterprise Wide Search — powered by Actian.Hosted by Ole Olesen-Bagneux, Chief Evangelist at Actian, and now joined by Emma McGrattan, Actian’s CTO and global data leader, this show explores the often-overlooked challenge at the heart of modern enterprises: finding and making sense of data. Why is it still so hard to search across systems and uncover the data you need to do your job? Ole is obsessed with that question — and together with Emma, he speaks with authors, software inventors, data architects, industry leaders, and academics about the tools, processes, and ideas shaping the future of enterprise data search. From metadata to data intelligence, governance to AI-powered discovery — Enterprise Wide Search is your guide to navigating enterprise data's wild, tangled world. Hosted by Ausha. See <a href="https://ausha.co/privacy-policy">ausha.co/privacy-policy</a> for more information.